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>> it is strain nj this respect, that watertown is a very, very easy going, very community type of environment. and this community with solidarity and people embracing one another, then dead ghost nothing. residents were frightened and stuck within their homes and didn't have the opportunity to go out and find out except for expressions from people like yourself. >> what is it like to be holed up in your home, unsure if someone is hiding in your basement or backyard. whether somebody is using you as a cover for their attempts to allude authorities. >> i noticed a number of police and military going to homes. >> did they enter your home? >> they did enter my home. >> explain that. what was it like? >> they knocked on the door and explained they were obviously looking for the suspect and with like it check out all of the residence. they checked about 200 different homes. >> right. but specifically your home. >> right. >> how reluctant for to you even open the door? >> not very. because of the situation that happened monday. the citizens of this community embraced the police and the fbi and other
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police are trying to basically lock down and hone in on any place and anybody in this environment, this young man primarily and any family members who may know where he is. i'm looking at couple shots we're getting here. back in watertown, you have ongoing presence of the police there as well. they're trying to focus in where he may have gone, if he remains in watertown. if he was able to slip perhaps out of that cordon and if indeed he is still on the run, bill. bill: yeah. martha, just one thing to add from boston on that. we're hearing that logan airport has been closed. we can't confirm it but we're being working to that. some folks are saying trying to book to flights in washington and those flights are being diverted. "the boston globe" is saying the m.i.t. police officer that was killed in a confrontation with these terror suspects was sean collier, age 26, out of summerville, massachusetts. per the district attorney in middlesex county. it is possible that sean come letter, age 26, will indeed be the hero of this story and sitting in his car and gunned down in his car we don't k
police are trying to basically lock down and hone in on any place and anybody in this environment, this young man primarily and any family members who may know where he is. i'm looking at couple shots we're getting here. back in watertown, you have ongoing presence of the police there as well. they're trying to focus in where he may have gone, if he remains in watertown. if he was able to slip perhaps out of that cordon and if indeed he is still on the run, bill. bill: yeah. martha, just one...
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bay area communities are joining others around the world to help celebrate earth day by giving our environment a little tlc. from the mountain to coast teams of volunteers worked together on cleanup and restoration projects. a great day to go to pacific beach and get in some community service. woaresith corporate and community volunteers could be seeing beautifying golden gate park and cleaning up lake merritt in oakland. >>> no kidding. a great day to do it. lots of sunshine and so warm. >> leigh: we still had a nice little sea baez near -- sea breeze near the coast, but the further east, the 80s, and we'll do it again tomorrow and the next day and the next day. live doppler 7hd i'm not picking up any returns at all. here's a beautiful shot phloem high definition -- shot from the high definition suggest to -- sutro cam. san francisco in the city, 73. 82 was the high in livermore, san jose, 79. another beautiful shot of the embarcadero in san francisco. folks still out and about. san francisco right now, 59. a little cooler as the westerly winds move in mountain view, 70. 72 in san jose. santa
bay area communities are joining others around the world to help celebrate earth day by giving our environment a little tlc. from the mountain to coast teams of volunteers worked together on cleanup and restoration projects. a great day to go to pacific beach and get in some community service. woaresith corporate and community volunteers could be seeing beautifying golden gate park and cleaning up lake merritt in oakland. >>> no kidding. a great day to do it. lots of sunshine and so...
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the environment has changed and whatever good this bill has, it's going to take a back seat right now. what do you say? >> well, look, whenever there's a crime, you saw this on the shootings, the murders in connecticut. people wanted gun control before the shootings, tried to exploit that tragedy. the people who are against high-skilled workers coming into this country, all the antiimmigrant groups, are against all immigrants, not just some, and they're already trying to exploit these murders in boston to attack immigration of everybody. i don't think it will work. the american people are smarter than that. yes, the fbi should good of bad guys, evidently they let some slip through their fingers, in the case of boston. but everything in this bill moves in the right direction for security and the american economy, and all the kind of questions you ought to have. shame on the people who tried to use the murders in boston to undermine immigration reform. i don't think they'll be able to do it. >> neil: all right. thank you very much. good seeing you again, grover norquist. in the wake of
the environment has changed and whatever good this bill has, it's going to take a back seat right now. what do you say? >> well, look, whenever there's a crime, you saw this on the shootings, the murders in connecticut. people wanted gun control before the shootings, tried to exploit that tragedy. the people who are against high-skilled workers coming into this country, all the antiimmigrant groups, are against all immigrants, not just some, and they're already trying to exploit these...
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but as kron 4's mike pelton shows us, the bombing's have created a tense environment for many american muslims. how abimelech millions, kennet sh been watching >> it is a difficult line to walk because there want to focus on the victims and there is a concern and even dread. that we are hoping they are not moslem or that their of their connection to islam is not obvious. >> the san francisco-based american relations representative says that this fear is a backlash /muslims turned out to have islamic ties. >> it is you need to have a minority status in the united states. and when a white christian the blows something up it happens also. >> speculation is growing that the bombing suspect or muslim. they have not released a motive or anything linking their attack to religion and she fears some people's minds are already made up. >> we have already received some heat incidences and luckily, nothing has been escalated to a heat. >> reporter: as for setting the record straight? >> people like myself, and the civil rights lawyers, and teachers, students, with the larger american committee wha
but as kron 4's mike pelton shows us, the bombing's have created a tense environment for many american muslims. how abimelech millions, kennet sh been watching >> it is a difficult line to walk because there want to focus on the victims and there is a concern and even dread. that we are hoping they are not moslem or that their of their connection to islam is not obvious. >> the san francisco-based american relations representative says that this fear is a backlash /muslims turned...
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that phasing plan involves a environmental assessment to see anything unhealthy in this environment or in that square. we have to check the integrity of the buildings. because of that the city is unable to release a time frame when the square will be reopened to the public, when people will come back to their businesses. jenna? jenna: more when we get it, mike. mike tobin live in boston today. jon: charges in connection with the boston terror attacks and the aftermath could come as early as today as investigators continue to look for answers. they want to know if dzhokhar tsarnaev and his brother acted alone. but his serious injuries are slowing their progress. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is live in washington right now. so what are we learning about the fbi's contact with the suspect, catherine? >> reporter: a leading republican briefed by the assistant director of the fbi last night tells fox news the risch shun equivalent of the fbi sent a letter to the bureau that they suspected older brother was a islamist extremist and believe in their cause. tamerlan tsar
that phasing plan involves a environmental assessment to see anything unhealthy in this environment or in that square. we have to check the integrity of the buildings. because of that the city is unable to release a time frame when the square will be reopened to the public, when people will come back to their businesses. jenna? jenna: more when we get it, mike. mike tobin live in boston today. jon: charges in connection with the boston terror attacks and the aftermath could come as early as...
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in urban areas you only have a dozen homes this is the first and i can remember it is in the urban environment where a terrorist is loose with the potential device that is a suicide best if got into a large area he could kill a lot of people so they went to quarantine block by block why there's so many people present there is a blood flow he is lending and people would realize who he was a piece surfaced on the streets so they know that is why it is quarantined. >> these do terrorist remained in close proximity year this scene of their crime,,the scene of the bombings and i think authorities made some pretty good judgments as to whether or not he was much beyond that and a recent successfully he did not it is an impressive display to this point* to managed to contain these to a terrorist as we talk about their lack of training and resources creating a calamitous results. we are getting word now from local media that a neighbor on franklin street has seen police check about that was in her yard -- a boat and we're getting this from local media channels since there was something different about
in urban areas you only have a dozen homes this is the first and i can remember it is in the urban environment where a terrorist is loose with the potential device that is a suicide best if got into a large area he could kill a lot of people so they went to quarantine block by block why there's so many people present there is a blood flow he is lending and people would realize who he was a piece surfaced on the streets so they know that is why it is quarantined. >> these do terrorist...
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. >> bay area communities are joining others to celebrate earth day by giving the environment a little tlc. they worked on cleanup and restoration projects and great day to take the family to pacific beach. work parties and community volunteers checking it out could be seen working in golden gate park and cleaning up lake merritt in oakland. >> the dmv wants your input now how to regulate driverless cars. google has been testing the cars for years. state regulators need to determine several things. for instance, who would be at fault in a crash, the driver or the manufacturer. same question with failure to stop at a stop sign, failing to recognized stopped traffic because of bad weather or getting off a freeway ramp too fast. i think all the drivers would be pointing at the car. >> you mentioned folks cleaning up. it was fabulous out there. 70s and 80s. as we work our way into monday and tuesday, we're talking about temperatures especially inland climbing close to 90 degrees. yes, get ready for a nice little mini heat wave in store for the bay area. hi, there, live doppler not picking
. >> bay area communities are joining others to celebrate earth day by giving the environment a little tlc. they worked on cleanup and restoration projects and great day to take the family to pacific beach. work parties and community volunteers checking it out could be seen working in golden gate park and cleaning up lake merritt in oakland. >> the dmv wants your input now how to regulate driverless cars. google has been testing the cars for years. state regulators need to determine...
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and their security environment reflect that reality. but here in the u.s., there is a delicate balancing act between liberty and security. and it's still a work in progress. bret? >> bret: steve centanni live here in d.c. steve, thank you. some of the most compelling accounts to come out of boston are from the eyewitnesses. and the people who tried to help. correspondent douglas kennedy has that part of the story. [explosion] >> the bomb that where to through boilston street took with it lives and dreams. in fact, many people in boston and the nation. especially those who saw the mayhem firsthand. >> it went off, you know, my ears, you know, just from the compression of the explosive device hit us and shattered the window next to us. and, you know, and i looked back and i see a cloud of smoke. >> it took probably five or ten seconds to realize what had happened because it couldn't happen there. so, it was just too surreal. >> still personal tragedy quickly turned into communal hope as the city almost instantly came together. to comfort
and their security environment reflect that reality. but here in the u.s., there is a delicate balancing act between liberty and security. and it's still a work in progress. bret? >> bret: steve centanni live here in d.c. steve, thank you. some of the most compelling accounts to come out of boston are from the eyewitnesses. and the people who tried to help. correspondent douglas kennedy has that part of the story. [explosion] >> the bomb that where to through boilston street took...
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and their security environment reflect that reality. but here in the u.s., there is a delicate balancing act between liberty and security. and it's still a work in progress. bret? >> bret: steve centanni live here in d.c. steve, thank you. some of the most compelling accounts to come out of boston are from the eyewitnesses. and the people who tried to help. correspondent douglas kennedy has that part of the story. [explosion] >> the bomb that where to through boilston street took with it lives and dreams. in fact, many people in boston and the nation. especially those who saw the mayhem firsthand. >> it went off, you know, my ears, you know, just from the compression of the explosive device hit us and shattered the window next to us. and, you know, and i looked back and i see a cloud of smoke. >> it took probably five or ten seconds to realize what had happened because it couldn't happen there. so, it was just too surreal. >> still personal tragedy quickly turned into communal hope as the city almost instantly came together. to comfort
and their security environment reflect that reality. but here in the u.s., there is a delicate balancing act between liberty and security. and it's still a work in progress. bret? >> bret: steve centanni live here in d.c. steve, thank you. some of the most compelling accounts to come out of boston are from the eyewitnesses. and the people who tried to help. correspondent douglas kennedy has that part of the story. [explosion] >> the bomb that where to through boilston street took...
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now where people are masquerading as people with all the facebooking and tweeting, it's not a good environment to stay steady in yourself. if this young boy looked up to his brother, his brother was radicalized into a cult. he is empty to begin with. he is the vessel that could potentially be recruited into a religion that had veered into cult status. >> megyn: the older brother is seven years old. significant, and the parents had divorced. mother had returned to more radical form of islam and recruited tamerian with that. the father had been an attorney and worked as mechanic because he couldn't find the kind of work he wanted. yet the uncle of these two boys, he had troubles but he loved america and he loved it as the land of opportunity. it seems like these boys went very different way. got to run. up next former attorney general under president bush says there is enough evidence to call these bombings a case of jihad. critics are already slamming him. stay tuned. r family the very best in taste, freshness, and nutrition? it's eb. want to give them more vitamins, omega 3s, and less saturate
now where people are masquerading as people with all the facebooking and tweeting, it's not a good environment to stay steady in yourself. if this young boy looked up to his brother, his brother was radicalized into a cult. he is empty to begin with. he is the vessel that could potentially be recruited into a religion that had veered into cult status. >> megyn: the older brother is seven years old. significant, and the parents had divorced. mother had returned to more radical form of...
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so supervisors enacted the ban to help the environment. it affects all retail outlets and grocery stores in more than 20 cities throughout the county. retailers will charge ten- cents a piece for paper bags. but you can avoid that fee by grabbing a re-usable bag. and today, target is giving away more than one million reusable bags nationwide in honor of earth day. earth day is tomorrow. but this weekend, several bay area communities are pitching in to do their part to help out mother nature. kron four's jeff pierce went to one earth day event in the east bay. >> i'm mother nature. you're mother nature? yes i am it's >> reporter: and mother nature along with earthday was observed the bay saturday with people cleaning up shore lines. a lot of straws, a lot of cigarette butts, a lot of plastic, a lot of cellophane a lot of bottlecaps. >> reporter: for those who weren't out scouring shorelines there were events throughout the bay area hoping to spread the message that earthday is about our enviornment. >> a lot of it gets ingested by >> think
so supervisors enacted the ban to help the environment. it affects all retail outlets and grocery stores in more than 20 cities throughout the county. retailers will charge ten- cents a piece for paper bags. but you can avoid that fee by grabbing a re-usable bag. and today, target is giving away more than one million reusable bags nationwide in honor of earth day. earth day is tomorrow. but this weekend, several bay area communities are pitching in to do their part to help out mother nature....
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they come from a different environment for home-based operations. most of the people we company chur on the bale field coming be from the surrounding areas. >> there's a facebook page for dzhokhar tsarnaev. in any event, at least two sources who know him say that this is his twitter page, and on it he had, i think, over a dozen, 14 posts since the boston marathon bombings including this one on april 17th. i'm a stress-free kind of guy. i'm a stress-free kind of guy. then another one. another one saying, hold on, let me find it. yeah. okay. here it is. nowadays everybody want to talk like they got something to say but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of jibberrish. i believe that's on his mind. i believe that's a quote of a song. days after authorities say he bombed the boston marathon, took the life of three innocent people and severely wounded or maimed nearly 200 of the citizens that he was living amongst. we are back in three minutes. as we wait to hear now from the suspect's father. plus we take another look at the video
they come from a different environment for home-based operations. most of the people we company chur on the bale field coming be from the surrounding areas. >> there's a facebook page for dzhokhar tsarnaev. in any event, at least two sources who know him say that this is his twitter page, and on it he had, i think, over a dozen, 14 posts since the boston marathon bombings including this one on april 17th. i'm a stress-free kind of guy. i'm a stress-free kind of guy. then another one....
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i mean, we know that many refugees that come from conflict situations come into peaceful environments, and all of a sudden, and they're not given appropriate psychological pair, can also have enormous problems assimilating in a very different culture. >> and in terms of these two individuals living in cambridge, massachusetts, having come from chechnya, any thoughts there, why cambridge? why they've been living here together for so many years? why they chose boston? >> well, i think on the east coast that there is a burgeoning, it's by no means as large as europe, of course, the largest population of chechen is in austria, but i think there is a growing group of people along the east coast, in d.c., and in new york, and in boston, and clearly, chechens are also russian speaking, so there is, obviously, a large contingent of russian-speaking people also in boston. and from how i understand it, it seems as though their uncle was already here in the united states, and i think that they had other friends who could help them to settle into the country, and to assimilate, so, often, you cho
i mean, we know that many refugees that come from conflict situations come into peaceful environments, and all of a sudden, and they're not given appropriate psychological pair, can also have enormous problems assimilating in a very different culture. >> and in terms of these two individuals living in cambridge, massachusetts, having come from chechnya, any thoughts there, why cambridge? why they've been living here together for so many years? why they chose boston? >> well, i think...
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previous warnings be removed to insulate the department from criticism that it ignored the threat he environment in benghazi. we're back with the panel. it goes on kirsten. >> what difference does it makes a secretary clinton would say democrats are claiming political hit job by the republicans and frequently these things do get politicized but i would say the democrats were welcomed to be part of this, i'm sure and nobody is stopping them from investigating benghazi and they embarrassed themselves during the hearings, spending the whomentd time trying to make up stories for why the administration dropped the ball on this. so, one of the most interesting things in this is that secretary clinton, when she was testifying, said that she was not aware that nothing came to her attention in terms of security for the embassy and, in fact, it turns out that it did. and her exact words were i made it very clear the security cables did not come to my attention or above the assistant secretary level. well it did go above the assistant secretary level. it wally actually went to her office. weather she saw i
previous warnings be removed to insulate the department from criticism that it ignored the threat he environment in benghazi. we're back with the panel. it goes on kirsten. >> what difference does it makes a secretary clinton would say democrats are claiming political hit job by the republicans and frequently these things do get politicized but i would say the democrats were welcomed to be part of this, i'm sure and nobody is stopping them from investigating benghazi and they embarrassed...
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you can't bet on what you think in an environment like this. you've got to understand that if there is a network, we can't pretend that there's not. so when you're looking at these two kids, to me, everything that they did suggests that they're amateurs. where they placed the weapon, the fact that they didn't o obscure themselves when they walked down the street, the primitive nature of the explosives. but we've been focused on these two spiders, most media is not talking about the search for the spider web. did they get training, did they get weapons, did they get travel? >> neither of these suspects are on a watch list or were on a watch list. the older brother goes to russia, comes back, starts posting videos online about islam, about terrorism. did we miss this? was there something where we should have actually been able to know? >> posting videos is a free speech issue, and if were still in the fbi, we would be very cautious about looking at something like that. because you're allowed to be a radical in this country. this country is based
you can't bet on what you think in an environment like this. you've got to understand that if there is a network, we can't pretend that there's not. so when you're looking at these two kids, to me, everything that they did suggests that they're amateurs. where they placed the weapon, the fact that they didn't o obscure themselves when they walked down the street, the primitive nature of the explosives. but we've been focused on these two spiders, most media is not talking about the search for...
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criminal justice is not conclusive to this environment. >> clayton: would you need to show that the suspect was abouting on behalf of foreign power or in capacity as a military combatant to try him in a military trial? >> that is correct or treat him, put him in military system. we have don't have all the facts but the arguement is this. his older brother was inducted in al-qaeda affiliateddentity while he was being trained in russia. he came back and inducted his own brother. not all the facts on the table but what is troubling to me and senator whose statement you read is the administration is utterly uninterested in exploring this. they want the option off the table. instead of waiting for days or a couple of weeks until all the facts are in. i will be the first one to say if the facts don't support the classification as enemy combatant we should not do that, but we should not rush the process to give benefit of treating it as enemy combatant. >> clayton: what stood out to me the president's comments we're safe. we got him there. seemed to be a sense of wait a second, do we know all of t
criminal justice is not conclusive to this environment. >> clayton: would you need to show that the suspect was abouting on behalf of foreign power or in capacity as a military combatant to try him in a military trial? >> that is correct or treat him, put him in military system. we have don't have all the facts but the arguement is this. his older brother was inducted in al-qaeda affiliateddentity while he was being trained in russia. he came back and inducted his own brother. not...
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and millions... are polluting our environment. [ sniffing ] [ seagulls squawking ] >> pam: he was found hiding in a boat and watertown we carry you are looking at a live picture now in watertown. we are awaiting the start of a news conference. you are looking at the fbi agent who is ahead of the. much relief across the country tonight because no. 2 suspect number two is in custody tonight. as we said no. 2 is now in custody. >> reporter: people are on the streets seem think you'd, it was our pleasure. people cheering and celebrating in the streets of boston. obviously having a moment of relief that at the same time boston police are sending out letters not forget martin richard crystal campbell and officer joe collier were all the people killed in the boston marathon. >> pam: we are about to expand the bomb has been apprehended. the news conference is starting now. >> we are so grateful to be your right now, we parsons sold grateful to bring justice inclosure to buy. to the family's loss love one's or suffered injuries, and two are a police officer and a young man starting his career at
and millions... are polluting our environment. [ sniffing ] [ seagulls squawking ] >> pam: he was found hiding in a boat and watertown we carry you are looking at a live picture now in watertown. we are awaiting the start of a news conference. you are looking at the fbi agent who is ahead of the. much relief across the country tonight because no. 2 suspect number two is in custody tonight. as we said no. 2 is now in custody. >> reporter: people are on the streets seem think you'd,...
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it's an isolated environment as they try to seek this man. we also want to talk a little bit about the response that we're getting in washington, what the president is doing this morning in terms of how he is keeping apprised on this situation. and bret baier joins us with a little bit more on that. wrong. >> good morning. it has been a long night, obviously in boston as this hunt continues and as we should reset everything. suspect number one killed in a shootout and a chase of suspect number two, basically the hunt continues for him, as you've been talking about. he, the president, has been briefed, we're told throughout this entire time. president obama getting briefed by the homeland security advisor, the aston to the president, in counterterrorism, lisa monaco has been keeping up to date minute by minute, overnight getting the latest which included the information abou boston and watertown getting locked down this morning. we don't have any information about any briefings that are happening. however, i have talked to a number of people u
it's an isolated environment as they try to seek this man. we also want to talk a little bit about the response that we're getting in washington, what the president is doing this morning in terms of how he is keeping apprised on this situation. and bret baier joins us with a little bit more on that. wrong. >> good morning. it has been a long night, obviously in boston as this hunt continues and as we should reset everything. suspect number one killed in a shootout and a chase of suspect...
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we will shine the spotlight on issues related to the environment. go green campaign now in its sixth year. it educates consumers on how their own behavior affects the state of the planet. we have been watching futures this morning. they are sharply higher after watching what was the worst week for the markets in many, many months last week. dow up 60 points above fair value. our guest host is gary kaminsky. and morgan stanley wealth management. we will hear from both of them. we will get the numbers from caterpillar. looking for $1.40 a share on $13.7 billion. an hour from now we will ask caterpillar ceo of about the heavy equipment maker's quarter. it tells you an awful lot what they are sewing in the global economy. and boeing could get formal approval to return the grounded 787 jet to the air. the battery system is the issue that caused it to be taken out of service in the first place. gas prices are continuing to drive. the latest lumberg survey shows prices down 11 cents the last two weeks. and the average price of regular gasoline is now $3.54
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this is a complex environment, a complex city. i would say our commanders and i have been a police officer a long time they are better now than they have ever been in my judgment. you will always have some tension and friction. that's the nature of police work. you're going to have some give and take. but we have strong working relationships. and we are proud of that. we work to have that. >> alienated young men, is the easy accessibility of guns and other instruments of destruction something that worries you? >> absolutely. we are concerned -- we sent a team to mumbai and we got very granule information very quickly. that's what we do with our officers assigned throughout the world. go to the scenes of terrorist events and go to bring us information that may better protect the city. if you look at the events in mumbai they were done with simple weapons and clearly we know in this country, the proliferation of weapons we have 300 million guns that are abroad in our country. yes, it's a concern. if you look at the bombs that were u
this is a complex environment, a complex city. i would say our commanders and i have been a police officer a long time they are better now than they have ever been in my judgment. you will always have some tension and friction. that's the nature of police work. you're going to have some give and take. but we have strong working relationships. and we are proud of that. we work to have that. >> alienated young men, is the easy accessibility of guns and other instruments of destruction...
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so it's hard to see the global economy breaking out of the slow to modest growth environment. interest rates we think will stay pretty low. that overall is a reasonably attractive back drop for companies to deliver okay earnings growth. and so we can take earnings disappointments as long as it's minor. but as you say, it is a gdp and an earnings cliff, then we return to late '07/'08 type markets. we don't think it's going to happen, though. >> jonathan, it's ross here. what would you describe as okay earnings growth? >> well, i mean, okay in the context of the last six to nine months has been earnings estimates coming down week after week after week after week. the aggregate impact of that, though, is that european earnings growth expectations for 2012, remember those numbers are not finalized until we see the full years coming in the first part of this year. analyst expectations started last year around plus 10% and then our minus 3%. that's quite a big shift down when you put that into context of what we saw in 2008 where the earnings estimates went from plus 20 to minus 50%
so it's hard to see the global economy breaking out of the slow to modest growth environment. interest rates we think will stay pretty low. that overall is a reasonably attractive back drop for companies to deliver okay earnings growth. and so we can take earnings disappointments as long as it's minor. but as you say, it is a gdp and an earnings cliff, then we return to late '07/'08 type markets. we don't think it's going to happen, though. >> jonathan, it's ross here. what would you...